2976. Jeane Lee Muhl
Karen and Joe left this morning to go back to North Carolina. We had
such a wonderful visit with them. Karen is such a wonderful person. I
think she loved my Mother so much that it hurts. If you know what I
mean. She did everything and anything she possibly could when my mother
was in the hospital in Haywood County (North Carolina). When my mother
was on a respirator and in a coma, Karen stayed with her 24-hours a day
7-days a week until she woke up. She was so dedicated to her that it
makes my heart hurt when I think about it. She even ran the risk of
losing her job because of it. But, her employer held her job for her.
Karen and I have talked about
the situation with my mother and you and your family several times. We
are clueless as to what happened and why. Whenever we use to ask my
mother about all of it my mother would just say "that's the way it
was...I loved Molly and Huff so much that I never questioned them or
ever asked about anything".
Pastor Joseph Almerine Alcorn 2nd
Joseph and his wife Sara Sutton were first cousins.
3016. Harry Henry Montroy
Mother said he has two grandfathers (Harry "Edward" Henry Harrison named after William Henry Harrison, President and war hero at Tippecanoe fame.
I know I get the dates backassward, but this is my best; Great Grandfather, Henry Harrison b 23 dec 1841, d 17 sep 1926, Grandfather Harry Henry b 1862 d 1944 and his wife Mary Wolshock Montroy b 1873 d 1945 that's all folks. Next, sending picture of my father on horse Ribbon. This Dad/Ribbon picture should go with my Mothers picture with her pupils at Oak Ridge school. Thats where they met, Dad's father sent Dad up to the school to see if the new teacher,Mom, needen any help setting up the school. Dad's father was president of school board being he had six kids in school. Mom,s future brothers and sisters in laws. Mom taught from 1920 to 1972 and at one time Mom, her son, daugther in law and granddaugther had active Illinois teaching certificates. cuz harry
Harry Montroy says: 03/17/2004
"Next, my wife Joan's ancestor married one of the sisters (Lybarger) so now we are all kinfolk.. OOOyea you did asked for some dates. Joan has one sister, born 1930 in
Chester. Their parents Andrew J. Hagan born November 30,1896 and died
February 10, 1963,. her mother Ida H Lybarger born July 24 1898 and died
March 17, 1987 . Joans sister Lietha or LEE. My father born June 13,1894
and died April 9,1976 . My mother taught school in Randolph County from
1920 to 1972. She used here maiden name as her middle name, Hazel A Montroy
born September 10, 1903 and died December 10,1988. I was the only child
"Demonstrator" not too good of a model."This Dad/Ribbon picture should go with my Mothers picture with her pupils at Oak Ridge school. Thats where they met, Dad's father sent Dad up to the school to see if the new teacher,Mom, needen any help setting up the school. Dad's father was president of school board being he had six kids in school. Mom,s future brothers and sisters in laws. Mom taught from 1920 to 1972 and at one time Mom, her son, daugther in law and granddaugther had active Illinois teaching certificates.
My mother was a person if the sign said Don't Walk,
she did not walk. Taking her teaching exam at 17 she read the part you have
to be 18 and she balked! The county superintendent said, "Set down Hazel
and write-you look 18". (Harry Edward Montroy)
3225. Harry Edward Montroy
Tom, Thanks, for the quick return. Our difficulty here is the transfer of Joan's mail box to mine and I do not have too much "Smarts" computer wise and otherwise. I sent a long reply and explantion of my work, then replied to her thinking it went to you. She cleaned up her side and all my funny stuff was thrown out in the wash water.
Anyhow, I am floored at the amount of research you have in your wedsite. It is impossible for me to be brief , so this is some of the stuff that got all wet. We have visited Montreuil. It is an old walled city by the sea with much history and a family due wealth and land became titled. They ran and married with the biggies of the times. Of course, our Montreuil name is only a place of origin or birth.
We were the first Montroys (Montreuil) to visit the town. No Montreuils there on the streets or in the telephone book. The visitor bureau said that they are thirty to forty Montreuil sur Mer, Breche etc. They are towns in ruins and not listed on any map. However, Montreuil sur Mer is there by the ruins of the old walled city which has a fine Hotel on the old grounds. Montreuil sur Breche is North of Paris on the Breche river.
I have an approximate location of the ruins where our Louis Sedilot was married, first time. My work was with the University of Quebec genealogy department. This was only the second party work to credit finds valid. Our work is very similar to resume---you have a license to LIE. Using civil and church for one items realizing one fed the other. The work is tunnel from Louis Sedilot to Harry Edward , 1625 - 1952. My weakest link is our Jean Baptiste to Mary Ann Hore (Harr) and then to Julia Andrews without a death or legal separation.
I can give a lot of background and cheap talk, but I do not have a clue to where they came from or went.. My GGGrandfather was the fifth of the first batch (Hore) and Julia had three or four. At one time there were three Jean Baptistes and five households giving the census horseback rider fits in his count and who belong to which family.
When you have time tell me how you are attached to us poor montroys. I still believe the first ones landed on the river bank a few miles from where I sit? <> Harry
By Harry Edward Montroy
Louis Sedilot dit Montreuil sur Breche has gone from an easy trace to a wild effort to established residence. I took the easy one which was validated by (Ref Tome III historiques Sedilot, Belleau & Sangrenet by Sangrinet) To be reinforced by the Drouin Dictionnaire des familes quebedoises up to 1730. To take the old walled city of MONTREUIL in Picardie Provence by the sea during the 13-14 century we accepted the Sedilot clan travels to a little north of Paris to Montreuil sur Breche, small river town and our Louis Sedilot birth place. This was the movement of family groups from the core city by the sea MONTREUIL to locals as sur Mere, sur Breche etc. This was done over a few hundred years to the 17th century with the birth of Louis Sedilot dit Montreuil sur Breche.
Now the creditability gap has raised it’s head with our genealogist RENE JETTE from L’Universite de Montreal. He has given us a choice by stating Louis Sedilot is either from Gif-sur-Yvette (Palaiseau) which is about 20 km southwest of Paris in the Archbishopry of Paris or Gien , borough Montargis, Bishopry of Auxerre 120 km south of Paris.
Let’s now question our name SEDILOT. Robert Edward Montroy in his research has found an old town of Sedilot or Cedilot or etc. Spellings get mixed according to the whim of the recorder and sounding of the pronunciation. The town was located near the border town of Liege , which is now a border town on the Belgium eastern border with The Netherlands and Germany. The BENDELUX never had fixed borders until the late 1800s and to the south with Alsace 1945? Liege is in a flatland area and always in dispute for the ore foundries was an asset to any country. The University of Illinois gave me this tidbit on our town of Sedilot. They found nothing and suggested a name change to SELESTAT. This town is in the Alsace area southwest of Strasbourg 40 km. This is almost due east of Paris with hill country and mountains. Selestat is noted for the Gothic church of Saint-Georges dates from the 13th century. The church was built from red sandstone and granite found in the area. MONT REUIL could be in a very liberal translation; Mountain Rust!!!!
Paris, Paris our city of lights has it’s share of Montreuils. The southeast section is named Montreuil. An major intersection carries our Montreuil name. Paris has been a place of commerce and government since before Christ. The most famous architects of the 13th century was Pierre de Montreuil (d 1267). His works was Notre Dame, however, the most famous is Sainte-Chapelle. This was in France’s patron saint, Louis IX rule. The stain class windows and narrow columns fifty feet in the air to a vaulted roof and a 245 foot spire gives it the title of the greatest architect masterpiece of the Western World…
Now after all the tourist stuff and guess work with our father who, no , Louis Sedilot what is your point Cousin Harry? I would guess the Sedilots came from the eastern part of France to Paris. They were in fair numbers and some were talented. They (Some) acquired great wealth as the Montreuil with his walled city by the sea. The Sedilot dit Montreuil sur mer, sur Breche are landing areas where small towns started. Wealth was the key; some had it, some did not. The ones who did not have wealth or security came to New France and here we are!
March 25, 2004 e-mail from Joan Montroy
Tom, Your right -- Harry does resemble his dad a lot. Many of the Montroys around here have physical features in common. My mom was a Lybarger; the Lybargers and Montroys have been friends and neighbors for many generations -- all the way back to Kaskaskia days. The first thing my mom said when I brought Harry home to meet my folks was, "Well there's a Montroy." We've laughed about that a lot over the years.Joan Marie Hagan Montroy was born in Chester, Il. Sept. 3, 1933. She is the daughter of Ida Lybarger Hagan and Andrew J. Hagan. Joan married Harry E. Montroy on November 8, 1952. Joan is a 7th generation granddaughter of Jean Baptiste Montreuil who was born Nov. 24, 1749 in Quebec Diocese Montreal Canada. Joan’s great, great grandmother Veronique Montreuil, daughter of Jean Baptiste Montreuil, was born Dec. 17, 1820 at Kaskaskia, Il. Veronique married Daniel Lybarger at Kaskaskia on Mar. 12, 1838. They had a son named Samuel Francis who married Mary Ellen Montroy on Jul. 9, 1873. Mary was the daughter of Francis Montroy and Marie Courier. This is the correct relationship between Joan Marie Hagan and Harry Edward Montroy.
Harry started working on his family history so long ago that we didn’t really know exactly how our relationship developed. On the Sedilot-Montroy Family History link for Descendants of Louis Sedilot when someone sees “Hagan: Joan Marie” they should not see m. 1952. They should see: HAGAN, Joan Marie b. 1933 Randolph County. Also, when someone clicks on that name the biographical sketch which you will find below should come up. This sketch defines the exact lineage as it developed in my family history. All of this has been documented, proven and accepted by the National Society of the Daughters of the American Revolution. I have a Lybarger (Ludwick) patriot and a Montreuil (Jean Baptiste) patriot, and I am extremely proud to wear the names on my national insignia.
Thank you, Tom. You're a great friend. I have wanted to get the relationship between Harry and me straightened out, and now I think it's done. It's really kind of interesting how our families have intermarried for so many generations.
Tom, Harry started working on his family history so long ago that we didn't really know exactly how our relationship developedTom, I wanted to note that I am a direct descendant from Jean Baptiste Montreuil -- for what ever that might be worth. I mean that I want it noted that I didn't just marry into the family -- I was part of that family before I met Harry. Oh, my Goodness!Tom,
Sure know your busy with the Holidays and back and forth from Bonner Springs and Cape Cod and limited computer time, HOWEVER, this article by Joan should be filed under her “Notes”. Many have tried to trace Indian blood and this seems to be validated and posted in DAR files. Time will tell and I will keep you posted, but it is worth a posting on your web when time permits. Again, best for the family, your lovely bride and children, GOD BLESS. cuz
December 20, 2010Two Illinois Daughters from Liberty Bell of the West Chapter* have traced their ancestry to an Indian woman by the name of Dorothee who came to Kaskaskia at a very early age where she lived and supposedly died. Very little is known about Dorothee**, but with documentation from Canada, the Kaskaskia Manuscripts and the Catholic church in Kaskaskia, we have been able to trace events in her life. And this is where the story begins ……
CHARLES DANIS & DOROTHEE MECHIPOUEOUA
Charles Danis, the 11th and youngest child of Honore Danis dit Tourangeau and his wife Perrine LaPierre, was born February 20, 1684 in Montreal. Honore was hired in 1653 in LaFleche France to come to Montreal as a master carpenter.In 1704, Charles was “engage pour l’Quest” which means that he was hired in the fur trade business to go West of Quebec to one of the fur trade posts on the Great Lakes or the Mississippi River. In 1710 it is believed that he married Dorothee Mechipoueoua born ca 1686. A record of birth or marriage could not be located. In the 1720 church records of the Immaculate Conception Church at Kaskaskia, Illinois there is a record of baptism for Charles-Pierre Danis. His parents are listed as Charles Danis and Dorothee, “fille du Grand Rieur”. Fille du Grand Rieur translates into English as daughter of Big Laughter. This tells us that Dorothee’s father was Indian and that the French translation of his Indian name was “Grand Rieur”
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In May 1722, Charles Danis was awarded the first land grant recorded in Kaskaskia and noted in the Kaskaskia Papers as: “Grant of land on the bank of the Metchigamie River made provisionally to Charles Danis by Pierre Duque de Broisbriant, to be granted formally by the Directors General of the Royal Indies Company”, executed at Fort Chartres.Charles and Dorothee had four known children: Helene, no date of birth, but listed as marrying Mathurin Chapu in 1724. This marriage record lists her parents as Charles and
Dorothee; Marie-Anne, baptized October 4, 1718; Charles-Pierre baptized January 30, 1720; and Michel baptized October 1, 1723. All of these records are from the Immaculate Conception Church of Kaskaskia, IL.Charles Danis died at Kaskaskia on April 27, 1724 at 41 years of age. In the church death record, it is stated that he was “enseigne de Milice”, or translated “ensign of the militia”. After his death, Dorothee married Louis Turpin on September 11, 1724. Louis Turpin was a widower, captain of the militia at Kaskaskia and one of Illinois country’s wealthiest merchants. Dorothee bore at least 7 children after her marriage to Turpin.
Dorothee’s death date is unknown, but it must have occurred between 1741 (birth of last child recorded) and 1751 when Louis Turpin married Helene Hebert, his third wife.
Michel Danis (b 1723 as noted above) is our progenitor whose son Michel Danis is our Revolutionary War patriot (b April 16, 1760). He married Elizabeth Bienvenue in 1782. In 1779 Michel Danis served with Capt. Francis Charleville’s company of Kaskaskia French volunteers, marching with George Rogers Clark to capture Fort Sackville (Vincennes). It has been reported that Michel and his two brothers, Jerome and Joseph, also along on the march, were extremely helpful to Clark. They could speak and
understand the Indian language which they had learned from their father Michel who had learned it from his mother Dorothee.Eight generations later two members of the National Society Daughters of the American Revolution are born. Marlene Seymour (#794894) and Joan Montroy (#821547) are proud to be descended from Dorothee Mechipoueoua and Charles Danis.
* Our chapter name is derived from a church bell donated by King Louis XV, cast in 1741, donated to the catholic church in Kaskaskia and rang by the citizens on the night of July 4, 1778 when George Rogers Clark liberated them from the British.
** Marthe Fairbault-Beauregard in her book “Population des Forts Francais, 1695-1834” mentions that Dorothee might have been a Miami or Kickapoo Indian. However, this has never been verified.
Bibliography:
Michel Langlois - Dictionnaire Biographique des Ancetres Quebecois Vol. II – Nat’l Archives QuebecRene’ Jette’ – Dictionnaire genealogique des familles du Quebec, Montreal, 1983
Societe de genealogie de Quebec
Martha Faribault-Beauregard, Bibliothecaire-Archiviste de la Societe Genealogique, Canadienne-francaise, La population des forts francais D’Amerique, MontrealKaskaskia under the French Regime – Natalia Maree Belting
Immaculate Conception Church Records – Kaskaskia, IL
Kaskaskia Manuscripts – Chester, IL
Dated: January 2011
My Aunt Ethel, Virginia's mother, Lawrence Montroy's wife, is not in the best of health. Virginia, the oldest of the thirteen, all living, children is the caretaker and has assumed a lot of the worry. Virginia was the only to post your website and it would be a treat to see it brought up to date with her son and new daughter in law.
(Harry Montroy 11/24/09)
3247. Richard Bendorf Army Catholic Chaplain
As for Dick, he returned from Afghanistan in January 2008, after spending months there ministering to the troops. Got his wings since he flew so much in Chinooks and various helicopters. We were all very happy when he returned, what an experience for a 64 year old priest. He is finishing his last few years at Fort Benning, GA.